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Sep 20 2025
Saturday 10:00 a.m. CDT    

Panel 1: DOGE & The Deep State: Executive Power in the Trump Administration

2025 Texas Chapters Conference

Austin, TX
Speakers:
Benjamin M. Flowers • Chris Gober • Tara Leigh Grove • Kenneth M. Rosen • Cory T. Wilson
  • In-Person Event
Mar 6 2025
Thursday 12:15 p.m. CDT    

Biden's Deep State, Musk's DOGE, and the First Amendment?

Minnesota Student Chapter

Minneapolis, MN
Speakers:
Casey Mattox
Topics:
First Amendment
Sponsors:
Minnesota Student Chapter
  • In-Person Event
Mar 19 2019
Tuesday 9:00 a.m. CDT    

The State of Wisconsin's Administrative State Seminar

Madison Lawyers Chapter

Madison, WI
Topics:
Regulatory Transparency Project
Sponsors:
Madison Lawyer Chapter
  • In-Person Event
Jan 31 2019
Thursday 12:05 p.m. CDT    

A Fatal Blow to Federalism? The 17th Amendment and the Deep State

Arizona State Student Chapter

Phoenix, AZ
Speakers:
John S. Baker • John B. Nalbandian
Topics:
Article I Initiative
Sponsors:
Arizona State Student Chapter • Article I Initiative
  • In-Person Event
Oct 30 2018
Tuesday 11:30 a.m. PDT    

The Deep State: A By-Product of the Administrative State

Orange County Lawyers Chapter

Irvine, CA
Speakers:
John S. Baker
Topics:
Administrative Law & Regulation
Sponsors:
Orange County Lawyer Chapter
  • In-Person Event
Oct 29 2018
Monday 12:00 p.m. PDT    

The 2020 Census Citizenship Question and the Deep State

Sacramento Lawyers Chapter

Sacramento, CA
Speakers:
John S. Baker
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Sacramento Lawyer Chapter
  • In-Person Event
May 9 2018
Wednesday 11:30 a.m. CDT    

Deep State

Austin, TX
Speakers:
John S. Baker
Sponsors:
Austin Lawyer Chapter
  • In-Person Event
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Benjamin M. Flowers

Benjamin M. Flowers

Partner, Ashbrook Byrne Kresge Flowers LLC

Biography

Ben Flowers, a partner at Ashbrook Byrne Kresge Flowers LLC, is an accomplished litigator with experience briefing, arguing, and winning high-stakes cases in courts throughout the country.

Before joining the law firm, Ben served as Ohio's 10th Solicitor General. In that role he regularly represented the State of Ohio before the Supreme Court of the United States, the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, and the Supreme Court of Ohio. Most prominently, in National Federation of Independent Business v. Department of Labor, Ben led a multi-state challenge to OSHA's vaccine mandate, ultimately prevailing before the Supreme Court.

Ben is a graduate of The Ohio State University and the University of Chicago Law School. Following law school, Ben clerked for Judge Sandra Ikuta of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and for Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court of this United States. Ben lives in Upper Arlington, Ohio with his wife Denise and their three very active children.

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Chris Gober

Chris Gober

Partner and Chief Executive Officer, LexPolitica

Biography

Chris Gober is a trusted legal adviser and problem solver for the toughest political, public policy, and regulatory challenges faced by ambitious and high-profile changemakers. His national practice is focused on constitutional and political litigation, government investigations and enforcement actions, and providing strategic advice and guidance to elected officials, companies, industry trade associations, and high-net-worth individuals.

Gober has previously served as General Counsel to the Republican Party of Texas, General Counsel to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Deputy Counsel to the Republican National Committee, and Counsel in the Office of Legal Policy at the U.S. Department of Justice. From 2005-06, he worked on the team that prepared Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito for their confirmation hearings for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Gober is a 7th-generation Texan whose family fought in the American Revolution and the Texas Revolution against Mexico. Raised in the rural communities of Throckmorton (pop. 727) and Graham (pop. 8,372) in the “Big Country” area of Texas, Gober went on to attend Texas A&M University and earn his law degree from Harvard Law School in 2004. He has been married for 17 years to Dr. Mary Beth Gober, a psychologist, and they are the proud parents of two daughters, ages 15 and 12.

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Tara Leigh Grove

Tara Leigh Grove

Vinson & Elkins Chair in Law, University of Texas at Austin School of Law

Biography

Tara Leigh Grove is the Vinson & Elkins Chair in Law at the University of Texas School of Law. Grove graduated summa cum laude from Duke University and magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, where she served as the Supreme Court Chair of the Harvard Law Review. Grove clerked for Judge Emilio Garza on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, and then spent four years as an attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Division, Appellate Staff, where she argued fifteen cases in the courts of appeals.

Grove’s research focuses on the federal judiciary, interpretive theory, and the constitutional separation of powers. She has published with such prestigious law journals as the Harvard Law Review, the Yale Law Journal, the Columbia Law Review, the University of Pennsylvania Law Review, the New York University Law Review, the University of Chicago Law Review, the Virginia Law Review, the Texas Law Review, the Cornell Law Review, the Northwestern University Law Review, and the Vanderbilt Law Review. Grove has received awards for both her research and her teaching.

In 2021, Grove served on the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States, a bipartisan commission created by President Biden and charged with examining proposals for Supreme Court reform. Since 2022, Grove has worked on the Princeton Initiative on Reclaiming the Constitutional Powers of Congress, which brings together former members of Congress, political scientists, and law professors. Grove serves as the Co-Chair of the section on the Appointments Process for the Princeton Initiative. Grove is a co-author of Low & Jeffries' Federal Courts and the Law of Federal-State Relations, a leading federal courts casebook, and she has served as the Chair of the Federal Courts Section of the Association of American Law Schools. Grove has been a visiting professor at both Harvard Law School and Northwestern Pritzker School of Law.

 
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Kenneth M. Rosen

Kenneth M. Rosen

Professor of Law, University of Alabama School of Law

Biography

Professor Rosen received his LLM with honors from the University of London, London School of Economics, in 1997, his JD from Yale Law School in 1994, and his BS from Cornell University, School of Industrial and Labor Relations, in 1991 as a Merill Presidential Scholar. He served as a Senior Editor of the Yale Law Journal and an Editor of the Yale Journal of International Law. Upon graduation from Yale, he clerked for the Honorable Edward E. Carnes of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit in Montgomery, Alabama. From 1995 to 1996, he was an associate with the Washington, D.C. firm of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson. From 1998 to 2002, he worked in Washington, D.C. for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission's Division of Market Regulation, where he achieved the rank of Special Counsel. During his time at the Commission, he provided counsel on matters before the President's Working Group on Financial Markets, aided the restoration of financial markets following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, assisted with legislative drafting, and worked on matters including foreign market access, financial derivatives, market structure, and the regulation of exchanges and over-the-counter markets. While at the SEC, Professor Rosen received the Commission's Law and Policy Award and the Manuel F. Cohen Award from the Securities Law Committee of the Federal Bar Association. Before arriving at the University of Alabama, he served as the first Fellow for the Fordham University School of Law's Center for Corporate, Securities and Financial Law in New York City. He has spoken both in the United States and abroad at events sponsored by such organizations as the Association of American Law Schools, the American Society of International Law, the Law and Society Association, the Southeastern Association of Law Schools, Futures Industry Association, the Small Business Committee of the American Bar Association's Section on Business Law, the Washington Campus, National Regulatory Services, and the United Kingdom's City and Financial Conferences.

Professor Rosen has taught multiple courses at the law school including business organizations, securities regulation, international business transactions, economy in crisis (public policy-making role-playing simulation course), integrated financial regulation (banking, commodities, securities, and insurance law), and conflict of laws. He also holds a courtesy appointment in the Department of Economics, Finance, and Legal Studies at The University of Alabama’s Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business Administration and has been appointed to The University of Alabama Graduate School faculty in connection with his work on PhD dissertation committees. His focus on inter-disciplinary matters also has led to his membership in organizations such as the American Economic Association, American Finance Association, and American Law and Economics Association.  He has advised The Journal of the Legal Profession and was awarded the Edward M. Friend Jr. Award in the year he coached the law school's team to its first appearance in the national final rounds as a super-regional champion in the American Bar Association's National Appellate Advocacy Competition.  He has served as Director of the law school's successful judicial clerkship program, and the law school's students selected him for the 2007-2008 Outstanding Faculty Member Award.

Since joining the legal academy, Professor Rosen continues his public policy work and has advised federal and state government officials.  His expertise is sought in various contexts. For example, he has testified before the Committee on Financial Services of the United States House of Representatives. Professor Rosen also currently serves as a Uniform Law Commissioner.  He was appointed to represent Alabama on the Uniform Law Commission by the Governor for a term of service that runs to April 4, 2023.

Professor Rosen also continues to be involved in legal matters around the globe.  He has advised on business law curricula in Ethiopia and has been selected to teach courses at Australia National University in Canberra, Pusan National University in Korea, and the University of Fribourg in Switzerland.  He has served as Director of the law school's exchange program with the University of Fribourg. In addition, he has served as a Corresponding Editor for the American Society of International Law's International Legal Materials and as Co-Chair of ASIL’s Teaching International Law Interest Group. His work for the American Bar Association has included service to the Section of International Law and Practice.  His interest in development issues also has led to his participation in the World Bank's Law, Justice, and Development Week program and the International Finance Corporation's Doing Business Project.  Moreover, he has served as a member of the Board of Directors of the American Society of Comparative Law and has been selected to be the United States Reporter on Company Law and the Law of Succession for the Congress of the Academy of International Comparative Law in Vienna, Austria.

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Cory T. Wilson

Cory T. Wilson

Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit

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Casey Mattox

Casey Mattox

Vice President for Legal Strategy, Stand Together

Biography

Casey Mattox is Vice President for Legal Strategy at Stand Together and Senior Advisor at
Americans for Prosperity. In these roles he advocates for and creates strategies and
partnerships to ensure a constitutionally limited government that protects the civil liberties of all
Americans. Prior to joining Stand Together and AFP Casey’s legal career focused on defending
the First Amendment rights of students, faculty, healthcare workers and religious organizations.
Casey has a J.D. from Boston College School of Law and an undergraduate degree from the
University of Virginia. You can find him on Twitter at @CaseyMattox_ and on LinkedIn at
@Casey-Mattox-ST.

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John S. Baker

John S. Baker

Professor Emeritus, Paul M. Hebert Law Center, Louisiana State University

Biography

In memoriam

Dr. John Baker is Professor Emeritus of Law, and previously the Dale E. Bennett Professor of Law, at Louisiana State University Law School. He is currently Visiting Professor at Peking University School of Transnational Law (via Zoom) and has been Visiting Professor at The Center for the Constitution, Georgetown Law School (2013-2020). He has also been a Visiting Fellow at Oriel College, the University of Oxford (2012-2014) and taught at Blackfriars Hall, Oxford in 2014. Dr. Baker has also been an adjunct Fellow at the Heritage Foundation (Spring, 2008) and a Distinguished Scholar at the Catholic University of America Law School (2011-12). He has taught at Tulane Law School, George Mason Law School, Pepperdine Law School, New York Law School, Hong Kong University, and the University of Dallas, School of Management and also taught and/or lectured in 17 foreign countries. Notable among his foreign visits are the

following: Visiting Professor at the University of Lyon III (France) (1999-2011); Visiting Professor at the Universidad de los Andes, Chile (2012), as a Fulbright Specialist (2006); and a Fulbright Scholar at various universities in the Philippines. Dr. Baker received his J.D., with honors, from the University of Michigan Law School and his B.A., magna cum laude, from the University of Dallas. He also earned a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of London. Baker has taught over a dozen different subjects, mostly courses in public law. His main areas of interest are Constitutional Law (particularly federalism and separation of powers), Criminal Law, Anti-Terrorism Law, International Law, Health Care Law, Mediation, and Comparative Law.  

In addition to law review articles and book chapters, Dr. Baker’s academic publications include Hall's Criminal Law: Cases and Materials (with Benson, Force and George; 5th ed. Michie, 1993); An Introduction to the Law of the United States (ed. with Levasseur; University Press of America, 1992). He has also published on Forbes.com, FoxNews.com, in The Washington Times, and a number of times in The Wall Street Journal. He argues in federal court, including two oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court. For many years, he co-taught courses for the Federalist Society on separation of powers with the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. In September 2016, he co-taught a Supreme Court seminar in China with Justice Samuel Alito. Following law school, he served as a law clerk in federal district court and as an assistant district attorney in New Orleans before joining LSU in 1975.  While a professor, he has been as a consultant to USAID, USIA (since rolled into the State Department), the Justice Department, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, and the Office of Planning in the White House.  He served on an ABA Task Force which issued the report, The Federalization of Crime (1998) and later as a consultant to the “Bi-Partisan Task Force on the Over- federalization of Crime” (2012-2014) created by the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Dr. Baker was a co-founder of the first iteration (1995) of Stratfor Inc., a global intelligence agency. He co-authored its first book: The Intelligence Edge (with Friedman, Friedman and Chapman; Crown Books/Random House 1997). In 2022, he began a short, weekly video podcast available on YouTube and Rumble, The Baker Brief.

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John B. Nalbandian

John B. Nalbandian

Judge, United States Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit

Biography

John B. Nalbandian serves as a United States Circuit Judge from Kentucky on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. He was nominated and confirmed to that position in 2018. Prior to that, Judge  Nalbandian was a partner in the litigation practice group of Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP in Cincinnati, where he served as the firm’s lead appellate lawyer and also practiced complex litigation in state and federal courts. Judge Nalbandian was board certified by the Ohio State Bar Association as a specialist in appellate law. Prior to joining Taft, Judge Nalbandian practiced for five years in the appellate section of Jones Day in Washington, DC. Upon graduation from law school, Judge Nalbandian clerked for the Honorable Jerry E. Smith of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in Houston. While in private practice, he also served as a board member of the State Justice Institute, a nonprofit organization established by the federal government to improve the administration of justice in state courts. He served as President of the Cincinnati Lawyers Chapter of the Federalist Society. He has also been involved in his community as a board member of the Greater Cincinnati Minority Counsel Program, and as a board member of the Asian Pacific Bar Association of Southwest Ohio. Judge Nalbandian earned his B.S., magna cum laude, from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania and his J.D. from the University of Virginia School of Law, where he was inducted into the Order of the Coif and served as managing editor of the Virginia Law Review.

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John S. Baker

John S. Baker

Professor Emeritus, Paul M. Hebert Law Center, Louisiana State University

Biography

In memoriam

Dr. John Baker is Professor Emeritus of Law, and previously the Dale E. Bennett Professor of Law, at Louisiana State University Law School. He is currently Visiting Professor at Peking University School of Transnational Law (via Zoom) and has been Visiting Professor at The Center for the Constitution, Georgetown Law School (2013-2020). He has also been a Visiting Fellow at Oriel College, the University of Oxford (2012-2014) and taught at Blackfriars Hall, Oxford in 2014. Dr. Baker has also been an adjunct Fellow at the Heritage Foundation (Spring, 2008) and a Distinguished Scholar at the Catholic University of America Law School (2011-12). He has taught at Tulane Law School, George Mason Law School, Pepperdine Law School, New York Law School, Hong Kong University, and the University of Dallas, School of Management and also taught and/or lectured in 17 foreign countries. Notable among his foreign visits are the

following: Visiting Professor at the University of Lyon III (France) (1999-2011); Visiting Professor at the Universidad de los Andes, Chile (2012), as a Fulbright Specialist (2006); and a Fulbright Scholar at various universities in the Philippines. Dr. Baker received his J.D., with honors, from the University of Michigan Law School and his B.A., magna cum laude, from the University of Dallas. He also earned a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of London. Baker has taught over a dozen different subjects, mostly courses in public law. His main areas of interest are Constitutional Law (particularly federalism and separation of powers), Criminal Law, Anti-Terrorism Law, International Law, Health Care Law, Mediation, and Comparative Law.  

In addition to law review articles and book chapters, Dr. Baker’s academic publications include Hall's Criminal Law: Cases and Materials (with Benson, Force and George; 5th ed. Michie, 1993); An Introduction to the Law of the United States (ed. with Levasseur; University Press of America, 1992). He has also published on Forbes.com, FoxNews.com, in The Washington Times, and a number of times in The Wall Street Journal. He argues in federal court, including two oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court. For many years, he co-taught courses for the Federalist Society on separation of powers with the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. In September 2016, he co-taught a Supreme Court seminar in China with Justice Samuel Alito. Following law school, he served as a law clerk in federal district court and as an assistant district attorney in New Orleans before joining LSU in 1975.  While a professor, he has been as a consultant to USAID, USIA (since rolled into the State Department), the Justice Department, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, and the Office of Planning in the White House.  He served on an ABA Task Force which issued the report, The Federalization of Crime (1998) and later as a consultant to the “Bi-Partisan Task Force on the Over- federalization of Crime” (2012-2014) created by the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Dr. Baker was a co-founder of the first iteration (1995) of Stratfor Inc., a global intelligence agency. He co-authored its first book: The Intelligence Edge (with Friedman, Friedman and Chapman; Crown Books/Random House 1997). In 2022, he began a short, weekly video podcast available on YouTube and Rumble, The Baker Brief.

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John S. Baker

John S. Baker

Professor Emeritus, Paul M. Hebert Law Center, Louisiana State University

Biography

In memoriam

Dr. John Baker is Professor Emeritus of Law, and previously the Dale E. Bennett Professor of Law, at Louisiana State University Law School. He is currently Visiting Professor at Peking University School of Transnational Law (via Zoom) and has been Visiting Professor at The Center for the Constitution, Georgetown Law School (2013-2020). He has also been a Visiting Fellow at Oriel College, the University of Oxford (2012-2014) and taught at Blackfriars Hall, Oxford in 2014. Dr. Baker has also been an adjunct Fellow at the Heritage Foundation (Spring, 2008) and a Distinguished Scholar at the Catholic University of America Law School (2011-12). He has taught at Tulane Law School, George Mason Law School, Pepperdine Law School, New York Law School, Hong Kong University, and the University of Dallas, School of Management and also taught and/or lectured in 17 foreign countries. Notable among his foreign visits are the

following: Visiting Professor at the University of Lyon III (France) (1999-2011); Visiting Professor at the Universidad de los Andes, Chile (2012), as a Fulbright Specialist (2006); and a Fulbright Scholar at various universities in the Philippines. Dr. Baker received his J.D., with honors, from the University of Michigan Law School and his B.A., magna cum laude, from the University of Dallas. He also earned a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of London. Baker has taught over a dozen different subjects, mostly courses in public law. His main areas of interest are Constitutional Law (particularly federalism and separation of powers), Criminal Law, Anti-Terrorism Law, International Law, Health Care Law, Mediation, and Comparative Law.  

In addition to law review articles and book chapters, Dr. Baker’s academic publications include Hall's Criminal Law: Cases and Materials (with Benson, Force and George; 5th ed. Michie, 1993); An Introduction to the Law of the United States (ed. with Levasseur; University Press of America, 1992). He has also published on Forbes.com, FoxNews.com, in The Washington Times, and a number of times in The Wall Street Journal. He argues in federal court, including two oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court. For many years, he co-taught courses for the Federalist Society on separation of powers with the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. In September 2016, he co-taught a Supreme Court seminar in China with Justice Samuel Alito. Following law school, he served as a law clerk in federal district court and as an assistant district attorney in New Orleans before joining LSU in 1975.  While a professor, he has been as a consultant to USAID, USIA (since rolled into the State Department), the Justice Department, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, and the Office of Planning in the White House.  He served on an ABA Task Force which issued the report, The Federalization of Crime (1998) and later as a consultant to the “Bi-Partisan Task Force on the Over- federalization of Crime” (2012-2014) created by the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Dr. Baker was a co-founder of the first iteration (1995) of Stratfor Inc., a global intelligence agency. He co-authored its first book: The Intelligence Edge (with Friedman, Friedman and Chapman; Crown Books/Random House 1997). In 2022, he began a short, weekly video podcast available on YouTube and Rumble, The Baker Brief.

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John S. Baker

John S. Baker

Professor Emeritus, Paul M. Hebert Law Center, Louisiana State University

Biography

In memoriam

Dr. John Baker is Professor Emeritus of Law, and previously the Dale E. Bennett Professor of Law, at Louisiana State University Law School. He is currently Visiting Professor at Peking University School of Transnational Law (via Zoom) and has been Visiting Professor at The Center for the Constitution, Georgetown Law School (2013-2020). He has also been a Visiting Fellow at Oriel College, the University of Oxford (2012-2014) and taught at Blackfriars Hall, Oxford in 2014. Dr. Baker has also been an adjunct Fellow at the Heritage Foundation (Spring, 2008) and a Distinguished Scholar at the Catholic University of America Law School (2011-12). He has taught at Tulane Law School, George Mason Law School, Pepperdine Law School, New York Law School, Hong Kong University, and the University of Dallas, School of Management and also taught and/or lectured in 17 foreign countries. Notable among his foreign visits are the

following: Visiting Professor at the University of Lyon III (France) (1999-2011); Visiting Professor at the Universidad de los Andes, Chile (2012), as a Fulbright Specialist (2006); and a Fulbright Scholar at various universities in the Philippines. Dr. Baker received his J.D., with honors, from the University of Michigan Law School and his B.A., magna cum laude, from the University of Dallas. He also earned a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of London. Baker has taught over a dozen different subjects, mostly courses in public law. His main areas of interest are Constitutional Law (particularly federalism and separation of powers), Criminal Law, Anti-Terrorism Law, International Law, Health Care Law, Mediation, and Comparative Law.  

In addition to law review articles and book chapters, Dr. Baker’s academic publications include Hall's Criminal Law: Cases and Materials (with Benson, Force and George; 5th ed. Michie, 1993); An Introduction to the Law of the United States (ed. with Levasseur; University Press of America, 1992). He has also published on Forbes.com, FoxNews.com, in The Washington Times, and a number of times in The Wall Street Journal. He argues in federal court, including two oral arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court. For many years, he co-taught courses for the Federalist Society on separation of powers with the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. In September 2016, he co-taught a Supreme Court seminar in China with Justice Samuel Alito. Following law school, he served as a law clerk in federal district court and as an assistant district attorney in New Orleans before joining LSU in 1975.  While a professor, he has been as a consultant to USAID, USIA (since rolled into the State Department), the Justice Department, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, and the Office of Planning in the White House.  He served on an ABA Task Force which issued the report, The Federalization of Crime (1998) and later as a consultant to the “Bi-Partisan Task Force on the Over- federalization of Crime” (2012-2014) created by the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Dr. Baker was a co-founder of the first iteration (1995) of Stratfor Inc., a global intelligence agency. He co-authored its first book: The Intelligence Edge (with Friedman, Friedman and Chapman; Crown Books/Random House 1997). In 2022, he began a short, weekly video podcast available on YouTube and Rumble, The Baker Brief.

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